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#: 178 S1/General Information
    21-Mar-88  16:26:49
Sb: #New member
Fm: Brian Barjenbruch 71251,2716
To: All

I'm sort of new here, and I think this might be a neat idea...I hear that Apple
has a CD-ROM drive out.  Has anyone had a chance to use it yet?  It works on
the //GS, doesn't it?

           Any info would help.........................Brian

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#: 179 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Mar-88  17:01:59
Sb: #66-#Howdy!
Fm: George Brickner 70040,104
To: john ferguson 70205,1216 (X)

  Actually, John, I don't know how the images are stored. The image scanning is
being done by one company and the image decompressing is being done by an IBM
supplied program.
        Geo

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#: 180 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Mar-88  17:03:39
Sb: #70-Howdy!
Fm: George Brickner 70040,104
To: Eric Carter 75206,1625

  Eric, the Online board is strictly a SCSI interface to the CD-ROM drives. All
decompressing is done by IBM software. The image scanning is being done by a
third party.
        Geo



#: 181 S1/General Information
    21-Mar-88  18:45:57
Sb: #122-New Member
Fm: Ron Fortunato 76703,4306
To: steve michel 70611,1215 (X)

Hi Steve!

   Most interesting that I just picked up my first copy of CD-ROM Review this
afternoon!

I am also working with Hypercard/Macs in a rather interesting environment: the
first high school student-run spaceflight project. My students are designing,
building, and testing an experiment which will fly on a shuttle in about 1 1/2
years. I would be interested in learning about current technology for
Mac/Hypercard/CD-ROM to integrate into our program. I'm also anxious to get
into this first issue (for me). How long have you been out?

   Ron



#: 182 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Mar-88  18:51:55
Sb: Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Brendan Pratt -Australia 72757,3043
To: all

Hi there,what i am most interested in in the CD-ROM area,is the development of
a CD-ROM for the Amiga range of computers.No doubt with a standard read for
CD-ROM,there will just need to be a interface (Hardware/Software). I'm sure a
number of people will be interested in finding out about this new technology
for their own Amiga's

C u laitr

Brendan Pratt - Australia



#: 183 S1/General Information
    21-Mar-88  20:17:29
Sb: Maxtor Worm
Fm: Eddie Grisolia 75206,1417
To: all

Hi all !
   This is going to be a very good forum...glad to be part of it. I work for a
system's integrator and have a need for a CDROM for large database storage.
Does anyone have any experience with the Maxtor 800mb Worm?  Do they
manufacture it, or is a Hitachi? I would appreciate any comments or
recommendations. By the way, it will be installed in a IBM-AT shop . Thanks
again. Eddie.



#: 184 S1/General Information
    21-Mar-88  20:34:37
Sb: #172-New Member
Fm: Kevin Conley 73336,1340
To: Reuben Mezrich 72356,252 (X)

Our applications all deal with IBM machines so I do not know of any optical
disk drivers for the Mac.  We use SCSI to talk to the drives on a low level.
If you have the time to learn SCSI you could buy a SCSI board and write your
own but thats not the most fun thing to do. I will leave a message on this
forum if I do run across anything. Sorry I could not be of more help.



#: 185 S1/General Information
    21-Mar-88  20:46:21
Sb: #69-WORM Drive Software
Fm: Kevin Conley 73336,1340
To: JASON LOVEN 72140,65

I have not used the Maxtor drives before but I have used several drives and
have used drivers that emulate DOS and drivers that are very low level leaving
me to write the optical disk management software.  I like to have total control
of the management of the optical drives because I can design the optical disks
to the application but it requires you to write most of the software.  I am
using LMS-1200 drives that store 1 gig per side.  I have had goo results with
the drives and driver.  You should call Maxtor and ask for all companies who
are writting drivers for the drive. They should be able to give you a good
list,  be sure to ask about what ones are the best and have the most
installations.  Good luck with the devel.



#: 186 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    21-Mar-88  20:53:55
Sb: #88-New Member
Fm: Kevin Conley 73336,1340
To: Joshua Beall 71410,1411 (X)

I have had dealings with a company in Concord, Ca that should have what you are
looking for.  The company is Optical Storage Solutions, inc.  The have a
optical drive system that will plug into a LAN system and look and act like a
hard drive.  The system supports several different drives and media.  Contact
Roy Slicker or Brad Bakker of OSS and tell them I passed you on.  They will
work hard for you and provide very good support. Kevin Conley.



#: 187 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Mar-88  21:49:42
Sb: #179-Howdy!
Fm: john ferguson 70205,1216
To: George Brickner 70040,104

I guess I would assume that the images will be some sort of compressed bit map.
Probably the best way to get the job done initially.  I guess I'd hoped that
they might have been vecotrized but I can appreciate why it would be done the
way I've inferred.  thx...



#: 188 S1/General Information
    21-Mar-88  21:56:54
Sb: #139-CD ROM
Fm: JOHN CRAFT 71465,520
To: Ron Johnson 70116,1416

NO, THERE IS NO EXPANSION FOR SUCH ITEMS ON THE M-100, THERE IS NO CURRENT
PORTABLE IN THE TANDY LINE WHICH HAS THAT CAPABILTY..... JOHN CRAFT
[phone] 71465,520



#: 189 S1/General Information
    21-Mar-88  22:06:45
Sb: #Introduction
Fm: Phil Hutcheson 72376,1745
To: ALL

Hi! I'm Phil Hutcheson, I'm from Atlanta, GA. I've been using an Amdek
Laserdrive-1 for about three months. So far the only CDROM I have is Microsoft
Bookshelf. I am interested in obtaining other discs but the ffew I've seen are
price very high. Any suggestion of scources?
 Also there is a problem with my drive. Whenever I first start the computer I
get an abort, retry, ignore message when the CDROM is first accessed. If I just
give a retry it works fine then and all times after The problem is not anything
serious just annoying. Does anyone have any suggestions to eliminate this?
Thanks,
                   Phil Hutcheson

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#: 190 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    21-Mar-88  22:39:30
Sb: #128-CDROM-RBBS INTERFACE
Fm: herman hazenberg 70217,2330
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271

thank you for your reply.  i'm running rbbs bulletin board system version 15.1c
and having some problems with the interfaceing so far the disk works fine but
the board won't download from the cd... still working on the problem.. also the
high serra format would be best as at present the pc sig doesn't conform to
those standards so anythin i wish to use ms bookshelf i need to reboot so then
i can use the high serra format disks.. it took me a while to figure that one
out as the pc sig disk said nothing about formats.  also the only restrictions
that they place on the disk for bbs is that you do not charge a access fee for
the files  but a user fee , not to exceed $50/year , is acceptable keeep me
posted on your disk, i'm always open for new products. thanks again   herm



#: 191 S3/CDROM Applications
    21-Mar-88  23:31:00
Sb: #155-CD ROM proposals
Fm: Joel Nagy 76701,232
To: Edward Schneider 76137,572 (X)

Hello Ed ---

I think your original question about approaching a publisher is a good one
since I'm especially interested in how we're going to get the best print
resources converted to CDROM as soon as possible.

The few publishers I've talked to are well aware of optical media. The decision
to release a title, new or old, in this form seems to depend primarily on the
answers to these questions (and perhaps others):

1) WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE MARKET?... by which they mean for this title
   in this medium... (I got one long albeit patient explanation of why
   no matter how large the installed base of drives, the demographics
   of drive owners and their readers were unlikely to coincide!)

2) WILL SALES IN THIS MEDIUM SUPPLANT PRINT SALES?... I suppose they
   wouldn't mind as much if the margin on discs is better.

3) HOW MUCH VALUE CAN BE ADDED THROUGH THE CAPABILITIES OF THE MEDIA?
   A good example would be random access, and (as someone else said)
   digital audio.

The answer to your question is to bring them the answers... whether you're
trying to license the Grove Dictionary to publish on CDROM yourself... or just
trying to convince them to do so.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on this... as well as your progress if you
do decide to pitch the publisher with your idea.

Best --- Joel Nagy




#: 192 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  00:05:36
Sb: #189-Introduction
Fm: Joel Nagy 76701,232
To: Phil Hutcheson 72376,1745

Hello Phil... Welcome to the CDROM Forum! I'm surprised you didn't get a disc
called "The CD-ROM Sampler" free with your LaserDrive-1... or at least a reply
card to request your copy... I think most Amdek dealers have had one or the
other since last fall. It's a showcase of different things: a multi-media piece
on CDROM technology with Q&A, a big slug of messages from another Forum here on
CompuServe harnessed to a search engine, a prototype electronic catalog and
about fifty demo software packages provided by publishers like Microsoft &
Electronic Arts. I've seen it advertised for $49, which isn't bad for CDROM,
but free is better yet! I know all this because Discovery Systems (where I
work) produced and manufactured the disc. If it sounds good to you, check to
see if the reply card got jammed into your Amdek manual... otherwise, drop me a
line here and I'll find out how to get you a copy.                  --- Joel
Nagy


#: 193 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  00:35:52
Sb: #178-New member
Fm: Joel Nagy 76701,232
To: Brian Barjenbruch 71251,2716 (X)

Hello Brian --Thanks for joining the CDROM Forum! Yes... Apple has announced a
drive called the AppleCD SC. Yes... it's supposed to work on a //GS provided
you have the newest version (Rev.C?) of the SCSI adapter in your system. If
not, that's about $300 I think... haven't heard anything about upgrades. For
more details, you may want to read Apple's press release from the Microsoft
Conference earlier this month... it's in Data Library 1 with the filename
APCDSC.PR.  Where I work we've had opportunity to run the drives but so far
only on the Mac SE and Mac II so I can't comment on the //GS configuration.
Hope you'll find this... and the Forum... helpful!         --- Joel Nagy



#: 194 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  02:19:32
Sb: #189-Introduction
Fm: Jonathan L. Mayo 72276,2276
To: Phil Hutcheson 72376,1745

Phil:
  You might want to consider Grolier's Electronic Encyclopedia. I bought it
along with Bookshelf when I first got my CD-ROM, and I think it was a good
investment.  Grolier's costs about $250.  Check with Compact Disc Products
(that's where I got my system) as one possible source.
  I also have the Discovery Systems demo.  It's well worth the effort to get a
copy - even if you only have CGA graphics.



#: 195 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  02:44:56
Sb: #New Member
Fm: Steve Slater 73170,1034
To: Sysop (X)

I am working as a consultant in Maui, Hawaii.  We are 3 people in our com-
 pany, and are interested in keeping up with as much as possible. Our business
centers around 286 and 386 machines, training, service I am very interested in
education.  I have also been involved in Holography for the last eight years,
with a little touch of experience in computer generated holograms.  CDRom is a
fundamental ppart of computer generation.

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#: 196 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  04:08:17
Sb: Introduction..New Member
Fm: John L. Sands 73647,1637
To: Sysop et al (X)

     Greetings fellow kids! My name is John Sands and I hail from an area
 of Los Angeles known as The San Fernando Valley. After many years of working
as an audio and video engineer, I have just found a desire to get involved in
CD-Rom as a Systems Integrator. I have been able to scrounge up a 286 based
computer, 2 Hitachi CD-ROM external drives, and a Meridian Data cdpublisher.
Now comes the fun part...going out and drumming up my first client.
     My first problem is data entry. I do not plan to do manual entry, nor do I
plan to only publish those public domain databases that come on 9 track ansi
tape. I am now searching for the best case scanner or scanners. I plan to scan
using OCR, scan images, and even get into vector scanning for CAD and Mapware.
     The good news is that my part of the valley is loaded with hi-tech
aerospace, communications, and medical based companies that are all potential
clients for a systems consultant in CD-ROM technology
     If anyone out there has any suggestions for scanner hardware, I would
enjoy reading about it.
     This forum will help all of us who have been fighting for this new
technology, and will stimulate interest, and serve to introduce the people with
applications, with the engineers and programmers who can bring forth the
systems.

     Proud to be a new member of your forum, I remain,

          John L. Sands



#: 197 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  09:21:58
Sb: Greetings
Fm: Dennis Tanner 70007,2011
To: Michael Feldman 70300,206 (X)

Hello, Mike. I believe we met at the CD-ROM conference. Glad you're on the
forum. --Dennis Tanner    Radio Shack Computer Applications



#: 198 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  09:27:51
Sb: #162-New Member
Fm: Dennis Tanner 70007,2011
To: steve michel 70611,1215

Hello. I'm biased, but I thought Radio Shack's announcement that the Hitachi
CD-ROM drive is now available through about 7000 outlets was pretty important.
--Dennis Tanner



#: 199 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  14:09:54
Sb: #195-New Member
Fm: Joel Nagy 76701,232
To: Steve Slater 73170,1034

Hello Steve...

Welcome to the CDROM Forum! We hope that you'll find a lot to interest and
inform you here.

CDROM can certainly play a major role in training and education at every
level... something that Apple's announcement of a drive should boost
considerably given their strong position in the educational world. As an
installed base of drives develops, the market for multi-media CDROM training
discs, especially for computer hardware and software products, should be
considerable. Several instructional designers I've talked to see CDROM as their
next stop after videodisc.

I'd be interested to hear more about your holography experience, especially the
computer aspects. It's good to have you on-board!

--- Joel Nagy



#: 200 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  16:52:48
Sb: amiga 1000
Fm: steve small 71330,255
To: all

As an Amiga 1000 owner, I have some interest in the availability of CD Rom for
the Amiga. Any help in getting me going will be appreciated.



#: 201 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  18:46:56
Sb: Sales Estimates
Fm: Jonathan L. Mayo 72276,2276
To: All

  Does anyone have any reliable estimates of the number of CD-ROM drives sold
for microcomputer applications?  Also, how about for titles such as Bookshelf
and Grolier's Encyclopedia?
  Thanks
#: 202 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  21:09:19
Sb: Scanners
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: John L. Sands 73647,1637

   John - If you're going to scan typeset material, the cheapest machine I've
read about is the Kurzweil Discover, which has it's own processor and memory
and artificial intelligence based OCR firmware.  It is limited by lack of a
flatbed, however, so bound material must be xeroxed and fed one sheet at a time
or stacked in a sheet feeder.  It is supposed to do 300 dpi graphics too. It
lists for $10,000 and goes up to about $12,000 for 2mb RAM.
   For $20,000 list you can get the Kurzweil 4000, reliable, fast, with 10mb
hard disk, dedicated terminal, processor and memory. It is trainable, but does
not use A.I. like the Discover.
   For $38,000 list you can buy the Palantir Compound Document Processor, which
reads everything and anything in one pass with no training, and will interface
to digitizers and ethernet.
   For somewhere between $5,000 and $10,000 you can get a Howtek color scanner,
which requires the $2,000 Targa 16 video board.
   For 300 dpi graphics and typewritten (as opposed to typeset) material, there
are scanners in the under $1000 to about $3000 range from companies like
Datacopy, Dest and Microtek.  Flagstaff Engineering, of Flagstaff AZ, claims in
its ads that they have a software package that will allow these scanners to
read typeset.
   Keep me posted on your own efforts to learn more in this area.



#: 203 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  21:23:04
Sb: Scanners
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: John L. Sands 73647,1637

P.S. - The Palantir C.D.C. also lacks a flatbed unfortunately.



#: 204 S3/CDROM Applications
    22-Mar-88  23:15:29
Sb: CDROM
Fm: tony reeves 76137,1424
To: all

Hello all CDROM people! I just wanted to drop in and say its great that there
is a forum for this now. I work at Hughes Aircraft Company in n Southern Calif.
I am currently on a project that has us scanning all our company policies and
procedures into a machine format then uploading them to a IBM 4381 VM/CMS
machine. Our next goal on this project is to move away from the mainframe to a
CDROM application of the system. We are using a Stairs/DCF/ISPF mainframe look
up now. We plan to use smaller faster local processors and CDROMS in the next
version. I'd Be real interested in hearing of CDROM stories in the area of text
storage and retreival. Please leave messages here or you can call my BBS (I run
one, have since 1980) and talk about CDROM's at 213-374-7929



#: 205 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  23:34:21
Sb: #ADMISSION
Fm: JOSEPH KOSCIELNIAK 73320,1210
To: ALL

I HAVE JOINED THE CDROM FORUM TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE
COMPUTER WORLD. I AM AN ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON, WHO HAS MANY INTERESTSTS AND FEEL
THIS MAY BE USEFUL FOR INFORMATION STORAGE AND USE

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#: 206 S3/CDROM Applications
    22-Mar-88  23:41:39
Sb: cdrom
Fm: sherwood egbert 71171,1774
To: all

hi , i work for a direct mail marketing agengy in los angeles we currently run
2 ibm 4341 mainframes and one 386 compac computer. we are looking at
telemarketing using the 386 to recieve databases over the phone line. the
problem lies in dos not being able to go over the 32 meg limit. the question is
does cdrom with its high memory capabilities solve this or is there a way to
bring in a data base on the telecomunications that exceed the 32 megs in dos ?,
using the 386 machine ?



#: 207 S1/General Information
    22-Mar-88  23:47:44
Sb: #205-ADMISSION
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: JOSEPH KOSCIELNIAK 73320,1210

John - U.C.L.A. Medical Center has an extensive image database on optical media
which I think would be very interesting to orthopedic surgeons.  Maybe they're
planning to distribute some of it on CD-ROM? I believe they got it on WORMs.



#: 208 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  00:19:18
Sb: W/P SOFTWARE PROGRAMS
Fm: DOMINIC 72117,371
To: ANY MEMBER OF COMPU, SER

MY NAME IS DOMINIC. i I AM SEARCHING FOR A COPY OF MULTIMATE FOR MY PC.  IN
EXCHANGE, I CAN OFFER COPIES OF MICROSOFT, WORDPERFECT, AND WORD STAR 2000



#: 209 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  02:01:32
Sb: WORM Drives
Fm: Peter Black 74240,265
To: ALL

Seems to be a fair amount of interest in WORM drives. We recently got one, from
ISI. 100megabytes a side, 65$ media cost. The purpose is to back up our digital
typefont library. That's Xiphias' main business. And to have an archival medium
for our work on the timetable, a CDROM application we are preparing for the MAC
under Hypercard. The WORM will run on an IBM PC, and files transferred over
TOPS. We asked around a bit, and found these to be the crucial issues. 1) how
big is the IBM PC Bus card. 2) how good is the software for copying files, and
other related actvities (ease of use, likelihood of crash, etc.) 3) How costly
is media. Check out the recent review article in BYTE. Very Good.



#: 210 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  02:09:34
Sb: Graphics in CDROM
Fm: Peter Black 74240,265
To: ALL

Apart from the desirability of multibit depth graphics there are some serious
problems to consider in the planning of a graphics library for a CD app. First,
what kind of display or displays will the graphics have to be shown on? If they
are bitmap, then what might look good on VGA, won't play on CGA or EGA. Do you
store the same graphics three times for each device? Further, what if you have
a lot of graphics? We are developing an Electronic Yellow Pages system for the
Italian Telephone Company. They have 100,000 advertisers. That's 5.5k per logo
for each advertiser. Not enough for bitmapped graphics. Object oriented
graphics are better, i.e., terser. They also can be scaled to match the
requirements of different displays. To support the resulting needs, we
developed a technology (software) we call BLADE. It takes bitmaps, and converts
them into Postscript. That means lines and curves. It's an alternative, if (and
only if) your graphics are not continuous tone imagery. Graphics are a tough
nut to crack, even in CDROM storage.



#: 211 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  02:15:19
Sb: Xiphias stuff
Fm: Peter Black 74240,265
To: All

This in particular for Joel Nagy. Xiphias seems to be doing fine, but it sure
has taken patience. I couldn't get arrested with Time Table for the longest
time. Now it seems to be a reasonably hot commodity. I'm glad Apple finally
announced. It seems to have made the difference. Our announcement of XEARCH was
very well recieved. Check out last weeks Infoworld, and PC WEEK. The phone has
been busy. Also see this months MacWorld, re: Time Table. As regards AIM, we
went through hoops trying to get them interested. I still see them every few
months, but no progress. Also, It is worth noting, no CDI player. Life looks
more promising with Apple and Atari. The future looks very promising with DVI
based technology. Huh?



#: 212 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  02:26:58
Sb: #89-New User
Fm: Jim Bellaire 73177,1452
To: Dennis Tanner 70007,2011 (X)

Thanks Dennis.  The only info that the local store (Radio Shack) had was on the
3000 etc.
       -James Bellaire



#: 213 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  03:37:51
Sb: #129-New Member
Fm: Tom Hartman 76527,555
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271

Thanks Raines..I was hoping CD Rom would turn out to be a great new storage
medium that one could WRITE to, ie hard disks, but maybe someday. This months
MacWorld has a whole primer on it which I intend to read tonight, so maybe I
won't be asking dumb questions much longer!  Thanks, and nice to know you're
here too. --TH /ex


#: 214 S3/CDROM Applications
    23-Mar-88  10:23:10
Sb: NEW MEMBER
Fm: J. MORGAN SMITH 73230,220
To: ALL

NEED ANY INFO ON LARGE SCALE USAGE OF CD-ROM.



#: 215 S3/CDROM Applications
    23-Mar-88  13:09:22
Sb: #180-Howdy!
Fm: Eric Carter 75206,1625
To: George Brickner 70040,104

George, the decompressing must be awfully slow if it's done in software? How
long do you have to wait for an image to be decompressed by display? What sort
of compression ratios do you get?  We get a 1MB 300 dpi monochrome image down
to about 50-60KB with our Group 4 compression in a couple of seconds.   -Eric





#: 217 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  13:23:40
Sb: #211-Xiphias stuff
Fm: Mark Horowitz 75106,1360
To: Peter Black 74240,265 (X)

Well, I'm one of those who called your office this week. I remember first
hearing about Timeline on MAUG;  now I've taken the hypercard-boat over here to
"new frontiers". I look forward to hearing more about your product, and best
'of luck. --mark h



#: 218 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  14:02:26
Sb: new member
Fm: Don Pugsley 76314,2041
To: all

Hi! I am interested in this forum as a heavy user of engineering and word
processing databases...  nice to see there's enough interest in CD-ROM for a
separate forum! Don



#: 219 S0/SYSOP
    23-Mar-88  16:40:16
Sb: #8-Bulletins
Fm: Product Manager 70006,256
To: Ty Wait 76701,231

Ty,

Wow, sorry for the delay on this response, I just picked up the message!  I
meant that you should have gone into the Forum the day that it opened and
changed the dates to reflect this. You don't need to go in each day and change
the dates.

Susan
Forum Support



#: 220 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  20:39:16
Sb: #183-Maxtor Worm
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Eddie Grisolia 75206,1417

Eddie - I am part of company that sells and supports both CD-ROM hardware
/software and WORM technology.  If you would like a catalog, please call
800-634-2298 during business hours. Bob Helfant



#: 221 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  20:40:12
Sb: #189-Introduction
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Phil Hutcheson 72376,1745

Try Compact Disk Products 1-800-634-2298.  Call for a free catalog. Bob Helfant



#: 222 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  21:36:26
Sb: CDROM
Fm: Bill Russell 76347,1266
To: all

LOOKING FOR CDROM WITH ERASE CAPABILITY LOOKING FOR A LIST OF ALL MANUFACTURES



#: 223 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  22:26:15
Sb: #181-New Member
Fm: steve michel 70611,1215
To: Ron Fortunato 76703,4306

The magazine's been appearing every other month for the last year.  About to go
monthly.  Look for more coverage of HyperCard coming up, I hope, so send in
your subscription request today.





#: 224 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  23:36:40
Sb: #169-New Member
Fm: Kevin Conley 73336,1340
To: Allen Thomson 72757,1325 (X)

WORM means Write Once, Read Mostly.  Thats what you do so it does make sense..



#: 225 S3/CDROM Applications
    23-Mar-88  23:38:15
Sb: cd rom titles
Fm: IAN SMITH 72746,2434
To: sysop (X)

I am a high school Librarian and would like to have a list of titles a vailable
on cd rom



#: 226 S1/General Information
    23-Mar-88  23:47:19
Sb: #185-WORM Drive Software
Fm: Kevin Conley 73336,1340
To: Kevin Conley 73336,1340 (X)

Jason, I talked to a driver company that I have done business with and they do
support the Maxtor drives.  Talk to Brad Bakker and tell him I sent you. Brad
Bakker Optical Storage Solutions [phone]



#: 227 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    23-Mar-88  23:49:24
Sb: #186-New Member
Fm: Kevin Conley 73336,1340
To: Kevin Conley 73336,1340 (X)

Joshua, Sorry I did not give you their phone number.  I talked to Brad today
and he said that they could take care of you. Call: Brad Bakker, Optical
Storage Solutions [phone]. Good luck with your applications.



#: 228 S3/CDROM Applications
    24-Mar-88  14:39:07
Sb: #182-#Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: Brendan Pratt -Australia 72757,3043 (X)

I'm also interested in having CD-ROM support for the Amiga.  I have a SCSI
CD-ROM drive.  The main problem is software.  You just can't use Amiga
TrackDisk because DOS can't deal with large files.  You really want to support
the ISO High Serria format.  Let me know if you here any more on this topic.

2 Replies


#: 229 S1/General Information
    24-Mar-88  19:17:33
Sb: #20-Howdy
Fm: Joel Nagy 76701,232
To: rolfe windward 70014,646

Hello Rolfe --- Welcome to the CDROM Forum!

There seems to be considerable interest in CDROM for network applications... in
schools and elsewhere. Apple must have noticed, too, as they announced server
support at the same time as the AppleCD SC drive itself.

As to your BBS, you might touch base with BMUG (see #5,#6 and elsewhere)... I
know they've taken a hard look at CDROM in that context, as many operators
have. I hope you'll enjoy your visits to the Forum... Thanks for joining us!

--- Joel Nagy



#: 231 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  00:31:30
Sb: #37-#CD ROM
Fm: Joel Nagy 76701,232
To: JOHN CRAFT 71465,520 (X)

Hello John ---

I had just heard that Tandy was picking up the Hitachi drive but understood it
would be an "order-only" item... not on display in stores. Is that correct?

--- Joel Nagy

PS: Welcome! It's good to have you in the Forum!

1 Reply


#: 232 S3/CDROM Applications
    25-Mar-88  00:31:47
Sb: #38-I'm New too
Fm: Joel Nagy 76701,232
To: Bill Childs 71211,447

Hi Bill ---

The good news: we're all new here the past week or two...welcome aboard!

The bad news: I don't know about the Bell & Howell system. Sounds like one of
the multitude of vertical market applications now in the works or announced.

What form is your data in now? And what are you presently doing to get at it?

--- Joel Nagy



#: 233 S3/CDROM Applications
    25-Mar-88  01:04:56
Sb: #228-Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004
To: Aegis Development 76067,2500

Add me to the list of people interested in CD-ROM support for the Amiga. As of
yet I have NO drive, and would gladly accept suggestions as to which to get.





#: 234 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  02:01:48
Sb: CD ROM for Engineers?
Fm: Richard Kashdan 74045,1726
To: All

We are looking for two books that might have been done on CD ROM. The first is
The Metals Handbook  from the American Society for Metals. The other is the
Aerospace Materials Handbook.  Please let me know if these or any other
metalurgical material is available on CD ROM and if so, how would I find it?



#: 235 S3/CDROM Applications
    25-Mar-88  08:17:55
Sb: #228-Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Brendan Pratt -Australia 72757,3043
To: Aegis Development 76067,2500

Hi there,thanks for your reply,and yes,I will let you know if i hear of
anything new on the CD-ROM front. C u laitr

Brendan Pratt /ex



#: 236 S3/CDROM Applications
    25-Mar-88  08:27:28
Sb: Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Brendan Pratt -Australia 72757,3043
To: all

Could anyone who has any info on CD-ROM access for the Amiga computers,kindly
leave in their message the word 'AMIGA' as part of the subject heading. This is
to make it a bit easier(and cheaper for me!) to find them. Thanks in advance.

Brendan Pratt



#: 237 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  09:01:18
Sb: #231-CD ROM
Fm: JOHN CRAFT 71465,520
To: Joel Nagy 76701,232

Yes , its true.  I hope that some stores have the ability to stock the item,
because I see a good future for the media for alot of professional groups.  I
have one in my store, but I often get things I am not supposed to (carry). John
Craft [phone] 71465,520


#: 238 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  10:27:33
Sb: #42-#magnetoopticals
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Allen Thomson 72757,1325 (X)

Welcome to the CDROM Forum.  I haven't researched the m-o discs enough yet to
comment on their expected life.  However, I can help you on getting more
information on the Hitachi equipment.  Below are a few numbers for their sales
offices, which I would expect would be quite eager to give you some
information.

National HQ: Compton, CA [phone]

Eastern Lyndhurst, NJ [phone]

Midwestern Elk Grove Village, IL [phone]

Northwestern Santa Clara, CA [phone]

Hope this helps.

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#: 239 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  10:36:42
Sb: #51-Hello
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Larry Aronson 70436,703

Welcome to the forum, Larry.  Using CDROM for publishing is certainly one of
the hot buttons for the media from what we hear, too.  We expect some Hypercard
stacks to start appearing that will demonstrate how it can be used with CDROM.
In fact, we'll be uploading one to the data libraries very soon.  Are you
planning to use Apple's new CD SC drive in your study of downstream publishing
strategies?  Is a mix of data and audio being considered?



#: 241 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  11:15:18
Sb: #CDI or DVI
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: all

In MS 1st Conference on CD-ROM, CDI was introduced.... in the second, DVI
Technology was introduced.... in the third, we have seen both CDI and DVI
demonstration. Which do you prefer?  or what do think about these? -----Noboru
Toyoshima from Tokyo, Japan

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#: 242 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  11:30:02
Sb: #53-HI
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Jim Oliver 76515,2457

Welcome to the forum, Jim.  Rumor has it that Commodore is looking into ways to
get drivers for CDROM drives on the Amiga.  If we learn anything definite we'll
put the information up here.



#: 243 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  11:32:46
Sb: #64-NEW MEMBER INTRO..
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: TOM SMITH 76117,3276

Welcome to the Forum, Tom.  What kind of project are you working on? IBM PC,
MAC, VAX, or some other type of system?  Is your company going to be producing
the data?  If you can give us some clues as to your needs, we'll be glad to
help you.



#: 244 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  11:46:42
Sb: #65-NEW MEMBER
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

Welcome to the forum, Noboru.  My company (Discovery Systems) is also
interested in multimedia CDROM discs.  We have done one for the IBM PC and one
for the MAC.  I would be interested in obtaining copies of the titles you
mentioned, if that is possible.  If you don't have copies of our multimedia
demo discs, I would be glad to have a copy of each sent to you.  We believe
that the use of graphics, text, and audio improves the potential impact of a
CDROM product and want to get people experimenting with multimedia discs.  We
also have an MS/PC DOS toolkit for building a multimedia CDROM image.



#: 245 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  11:53:18
Sb: #72-#Hello
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: bob helfant 75530,214 (X)

Welcome to the forum, Bob.  What packages has Compact Disk Products developed?
Have you done any experimenting with multimedia productions on CDROM
(graphics/text/audio)?  Are you using High Sierra formatting, or will you be?
Any opinion on ISO/9660?  We're interested in seeing which standard the market
is tending to adopt.

1 Reply


#: 246 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  12:18:26
Sb: #74-Introduction
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Christopher Werby 71171,3543

Welcome to the forum, Christopher.  "CD ROM  The New Papyrus" is a very good
resource for getting information on CDROM technology.  It is published by
Microsoft Press.  CDROM Review is a good, low cost monthly publication on the
optical publishing industry; CD Data Report is a more expensive periodical, but
might suit your needs better.  High Sierra and ISO/9660 are the two most
frequently encountered standards.  Microsoft, Meridian, TMS, and many drive
manufacturers have software to support High Sierra.  Version 2 of the Microsoft
CDROM extensions are due out in May and will support both High Sierra and
ISO/9660.  Does this help?



#: 247 S3/CDROM Applications
    25-Mar-88  14:51:09
Sb: #233-Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004 (X)

I have a TOSHIBA which is a SCSI drive and works with my Macs....  Someone will
have to write a driver for the Amiga to get this operational.



#: 248 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  15:48:18
Sb: #241-#CDI or DVI
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

Not to mention the compressed video/animation stuff we have on the Macintosh II
and CD ROM...
I've heard it put this way...
CD-I is a concept in search of a technology...
DV-I is a technology in search of a concept?
But seriously, the new DV-I stuff is awsome.  DV-I has a real development
system and looks like a real possibility for the near future.  CD-I isn't state
of the art, and it's development systems look quite expensive.  I co-authored
an article on the difficulties in CD-I for the Niki McGraw-Hill company (the
article was translated into Japanese).  Did you see it.
William Volk

1 Reply


#: 249 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  16:18:43
Sb: #TEMPEST WORMS
Fm: Joseph Seanor 72726,1023
To: ALL

Can anybody out there point me to some companies that are doing work on TEMPEST
WORM's??  I am very interested in finding some and would like to get more
information on TEMPEST WORM's.  Thanks for your help.

1 Reply


#: 250 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  18:43:53
Sb: #238-magnetoopticals
Fm: Allen Thomson 72757,1325
To: Ty Wait 76701,231

Thanks; our headquarters is in Santa Clara, so visiting Hitachi will be easy.



#: 251 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  18:45:48
Sb: #249-TEMPEST WORMS
Fm: Allen Thomson 72757,1325
To: Joseph Seanor 72726,1023

If you find out, I'd like to know too. We had a truly abysmal experience trying
to get an AT clone with an internal 5 1/4 in. WORM tempested last year.



#: 252 S3/CDROM Applications
    25-Mar-88  20:32:46
Sb: #35-EXPERT SYSTEMS ON CDROM
Fm: Joel Nagy 76701,232
To: RON STEINER 76456,1624

Hello Ron --- Welcome to the CDROM Forum!
CDROM might be great for your application... or a WORM drive... it depends.
Both can handle large amounts of data... such as an expert system atop a
significant database would involve. If your system needs "write" capability,
that decides the issue at this point in time. If not, it may come down to the
number of sites that need copies of the identical data. Smaller numbers of
duplicates may lead you toward WORM while larger numbers of copies will
mitigate for CDROM. There are folks with personal experience in both media here
on the Forum. If you are in a position to share some details about the
application, one or more of them might venture more specific counsel.
Meanwhile, thanks for joining us!
--- Joel Nagy



#: 254 S1/General Information
    25-Mar-88  23:05:37
Sb: #198-New Member
Fm: steve michel 70611,1215
To: Dennis Tanner 70007,2011 (X)

Yes, of course you are correct -- the Radio Shack announcement was indeed
important.  Sometimes we all tend to get caught up in our worlds, in my case,
the Mac/HyperCard world.  Between Apple and Radio Shack, the number of
potential dealers for CD-ROM products has skyrocketed.  It's going to be an
interesting year...



#: 255 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  03:30:48
Sb: Greetings!
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: ALL

Hello, everyone...

This is a very exciting new CIS forum!  If all of us are here to discuss
CD-ROMs, shall we call ourselves CD-ROMulans??  <groan>

I'm Jerry O'Neill, a freelance writer and contributing editor for COMPUTER
PICTURES magazine.  I'll be writing pieces on CD-ROM, covering applications
that include _graphics_ as well as text.  (I write for other publications,
as well, including some in the audiovisual field that are _also_ markets
for CD-ROM/graphics articles.)

At this point, I'm not on many mailing lists for CD-ROM/WORM products.  If
you're involved with CD-ROM or WORM applications that include _GRAPHICS_,
please put me on your mailing list for New Product announcements, application
case histories, etc.  And, if appropriate, send me a 'Care Package' of info:

        Jerry O'Neill
        CREATIVE TECHNICAL COPYWRITING
        261 Roslyn St
        Rochester, NY 14619

        [phone]
        CIS 74365,362

On the other hand, if you need someone to _write_ your New Product announce-
ments and case histories, etc. -- let's talk!  <grin>

Thanks for your help!

-- Jerry



#: 256 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  03:37:15
Sb: #85-#Yet another new member
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: peter dyke 73537,3237 (X)

Hi, Peter --

I've been involved with a Hazardous Material training project that, of
course, includes MSDSs (Material Safety Data Sheets).  Is that incredible
mass of information now on CD-ROM?  Please tell me more!

-- Jerry

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#: 257 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    26-Mar-88  05:20:55
Sb: ALL
Fm: Don H. Marshall 73327,3310
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271

I hope that this forum has a understanding of the half or quarter slice timming
, sequence this timing that makes small icons. The soft in software  seeems to
dictate so.. It is a small Q that would stop a  path that should  be followed.
GO! CHECK <>< *Interupts *DMA CHANNels (BASE MEMMORY ADDDRESS) DATA ADDRESS
CHANELL PATH



#: 258 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  08:32:25
Sb: #245-Hello
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Ty Wait 76701,231

We have several software packages on the market which enhance the use of the CD
drive.  They all tie it to your stereo and allow you to play and catalog your
audio CDs.  One program is a pop-up utility that allows you to treat the drive
as an audio player.  Another package is an automatic data base for your audio
CDs.  When you place a disk in the drive, it looks at it and if it doesn't
recognize it a record is written with the time/track information.  You are
invited to fill in the Artist Name, the album name, the song titles and a
preferred play sequence.  The next time you place that disk in the drive, it
will automatically retrieve the record and ask you if you want to hear the CD
in the pre-selected sequence. As far as releasing compact disks, we are working
on two at present time.  I am not at liberty to describe the contents of the
disks, but I can say that they will have audio and data and will be mastered in
the new standard. Bob Helfant, CDP



#: 259 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  08:35:36
Sb: #241-#CDI or DVI
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

I hope to see DVI become more of a standard, mostly because it is hardware
compatible to CD-ROM.  You will be able to play the DVI technology on your
existing CD drive.  This will go a long way to getting into peoples homes and
offices. Bob Helfant

1 Reply


#: 260 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  11:18:54
Sb: Thanks
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: Ty Wait 76701,231

Thanks for your message.  I have got two titles of your CD ROM, i.e. "Showcase"
and "CD-ROM Sampler Disc."  I obtained them at the conference in Seattle this
month. The only problem I have is that we do not have the drive in Japan yet.
Apple Computer Japan does not have either.  I would like to try them somtime.
  We have just started and we do not have CDROMs with our own brand. We have,
however, produced "CD-ROM on CD-ROM," "Star Finder," "Wonder Island," "BMW,"
etc. All of these titles are multimedia CD ROMs.  "Wonder Island" has contained
ADPCM data in it.  These are for NEC Corporation, for their demonstration
purpose.  You may have chances to see it in the U.S.  We produced them when we
were in HighTech Lab. Japan, Inc.  The sales representative in U.S. is
Sumitronics.  You may find their names in CD-ROM Review.  We do not have sample
discs at hand.  I hope we can send you when we make our own brand CD ROM.
Noboru Toyoshima



#: 261 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  11:27:28
Sb: #248-CDI or DVI
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: Aegis Development 76067,2500

Thanks for your message.  I have not read your article yet.  I will try to find
your article soon.  At the CDROM Conference this year, we could see the
significant development in DVI Technology since last year and very poor
presentation techinique of CDI.  This is my personal opinion (not my company's)
but I would see the DVI technology is more realistic than CDI.  DVI's only
disadavantage over CDI was the quality of its video, I think.  But since it has
been developed and advanced, and since the IBM PCAT is everywhere, I do not
know how CDI will present itself to be an ideal technology for the future. I
will be spoiled when it can be done....  But as a software producer, I would
like to see both of them running and competing each other.  Now, I would like
to see CDI people to show us some thing.---- Noboru Toyoshima



#: 262 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  11:35:42
Sb: #259-CDI or DVI
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: bob helfant 75530,214

When you introduce new media, you do not have to have everything new... just
like you pointed out that we can utilize the drive of CDROMs.  I have
experienced in producing a CDROM, called "Wonder Island" which is for NEC CDROM
drive manufacturing division.  In the disc, we have put ADPCM DATA which is the
Green book technology, so to speak, and CDROM data.  CDI is the attempt to
standardize the CDROM data and technology, maybe, but it does not seem
practical. There is no memory to write on.  You cannot hook disk drive
externally. If the market of CDI is education or home entertainment such as
games, it is obvious that you have to save the status or advancement of your
work or game into something.... which CDI does not have. ---These are based on
my understandings and maybe wrong.  Please post your opinions.  Let us
encourage them and let the market emerge!!  ---- Noboru Toyoshima



#: 263 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  12:48:05
Sb: titles
Fm: Don Pugsley 76314,2041
To: all

Can anyone give a source for a reasonably comprehensive list of what is
available on CD-ROMs?  I would very much like to get some of our electrical
engineering reference books, dictionaries, and PD software colllections on
CD-ROM, and it would be nice to see what else is available while we are at
it... is there a compendium of available titles similar to the catalogs for
audio disks?  Merchandisers are welcome to add me to their mailing lists if
they want; my address is Don Pugsley Naval Surface Warfare Center bldg 206
10901 New Hampshire Ave. Silver Spring MD 20903-5000 [phone] Thank you
for any help you can provide... are there any other engineers out there who
have found useful databases on CD-ROM? Don



#: 264 S3/CDROM Applications
    26-Mar-88  16:06:15
Sb: #215-Howdy!
Fm: George Brickner 70040,104
To: Eric Carter 75206,1625 (X)

  Eric, decompression is very fast. The time from typing in a model number to
seeing the first image is only a few seconds. And that includes fetching the
images across a LAN from the server.

  As far as the compression ratios go, I really don't know as its not my area.
They say our average image size is about 12K. The 8514/A adapter has 8 bit
planes of 1024 x 768 pixels. There is one image per bit plane, so the software
can pre-fetch seven images - the last bit plane is used for Zooming an image.
Some of the screen area is used to display text, so the image is smaller than
the screen.

        Geo



#: 265 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  16:44:26
Sb: #256-Yet another new member
Fm: Eric Carter 75206,1625
To: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362 (X)

Jerry, I've been working on an MSDS image project for the past year.  We have
done a pilot project for a very large corporation and have stored several
thousand MSDS's on WORM drives.  We have also have all of the chemicals
categorized according to EPA standards.  -Eric





#: 266 S1/General Information
    26-Mar-88  22:28:03
Sb: new member
Fm: Chad Irby 71541,770
To: all

OK, here's the 'new guy' message.  I work at an Apple dealer, and I really want
to see the new CDROM drive, too.  Of course, my interests include all Mac and
IIGS applications for the CDROM.  If any of you feel like sending any of those
sampler disks I've been hearing about, drop me an Email, and as soon as the
store gets one, I'll be glad to evaluate it <he said selflessly>.  I'm thinking
about getting one for my own use (if the money situation gets better).



#: 267 S3/CDROM Applications
    27-Mar-88  09:18:11
Sb: #cdrom for ps/2 model 50
Fm: hans weill 71171,1536
To: all

Please provide information regarding which disc drives are now available for
the IBM model 50 (compatible with the new bus - mca)

1 Reply


#: 268 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  09:29:45
Sb: #HazMat databases
Fm: peter dyke 73537,3237
To: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362 (X)

Yes indeed! On one CD-ROM disc you get several databases, including a 30,000 +
database of MSDS from various manufacturers all over N. America, a "Cheminfo"
database of very detailed info compiled from various sources about a selected
group of materials, the RTECS database from NIOSH, a transportation of
dangerous goods database that has detailed transportation regulation info for
road, rail, sea and air, and more ... AND it is updated quarterly . . .
                                       -pd



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#: 269 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  13:50:20
Sb: NEW MEMBER
Fm: Bill Sturdevant 73200,3332
To: all

Hello all.  I'm a new forum user (all around) so don't know my way around yet
Interest in CDROM is based on projects at work.  Recognize CDROM's value and
want to know more.  Hope to get (and eventually give) much info herhere.



#: 270 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  13:56:49
Sb: #Stuff
Fm: Brian Barjenbruch 71251,2716
To: All

First of all, what is "DVI"? Second, does Apple plan to support WORM in
addition to its CD-ROM
 drive?  I'll probably end up waiting 'till prices come down out of
 the stratosphere before I try getting the drive for my GS, but the
 technology sounds interesting...




1 Reply


#: 271 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  14:27:56
Sb: #234-CD ROM for Engineers?
Fm: STEVE TOURIGNY 76054,542
To: Richard Kashdan 74045,1726

Dear Richard, As a fellow ASM member who is now involved in CDROM I can
appreciate your interest in the Metals Handbook in a CDROM format.  I recommend
that you contact RoxDbert L. Stedfeld at 217/338-5151.  He is director of
Reference Publications for ASM.  I have spoken to him recently regarding this
application.  At this time it is a 'back burner' item.



#: 272 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  14:41:03
Sb: New Member
Fm: Harley Witham 71016,1021
To: All

Hi!  I've just acquired an AMDEK Laserdrive-1, and am still very new to CD-ROM.
Am interested in acquiring a CD-ROM encyclopedia, but ha not yet found a
source.  Would appreciate any assistance to that end. Am running on a 640k IBM
compatible.  Am retired, and therefore cost is an important factor. Thanks.
Harley



#: 273 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  15:36:38
Sb: #268-HazMat databases
Fm: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362
To: peter dyke 73537,3237

Many thanks for letting me know there's an MSDS CD-ROM, peter.  Would'ja
care to add info on price and source for this?  -- Jerry



#: 274 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  16:06:10
Sb: Mac WORM
Fm: Dennis E. Brunskill 72746,1424
To: Reuben Mezrich 72356,252 (X)

Reuben,  Info from MacGuide, Spring 1988 edition.  WORM drive from Arc Laser
Optical Technology (ALOT) for MacPlus, SE and II.  List price for 400 Mb =
$5,900.  800 Mb = $8,245.  This is the only Mac WORM drive that I know of.
Let's see...that's $14.75 and $10.31 per Mb resepctively (not counting cost of
the media ???).  That's not a bad price for permanent storage but still almost
what I paid for my whole Mac II system.  I hope that some competition will
someday bring the price down.  -=Dennis=-



#: 275 S3/CDROM Applications
    27-Mar-88  16:07:08
Sb: #267-cdrom for ps/2 model 50
Fm: George Brickner 70040,104
To: hans weill 71171,1536

  Online has a SCSI CD-ROM adapter card for the IBM Micro Channel.
        Geo



#: 276 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  18:31:10
Sb: #268-HazMat databases
Fm: Eric Carter 75206,1625
To: peter dyke 73537,3237

Peter, what sort of MSDS info is on the CD-ROM?  Is the RTECS database in the
same format as their tapes?  I'd be interested in pricing info, etc, too!
Thanks in advance, Eric





#: 277 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    27-Mar-88  19:18:24
Sb: new memeber
Fm: Robert C. Osburne 76357,2402
To: Sysop

Just a note to say thanks for the forum.  I am an Internist with a special
interest in medical information management. I suppose I am still a computer
novice.  I am looking in this forum for avauilability of medical databases on
CD-ROM. I have an Amiga 2000 with a Bridgeboard at home and a Compaq at the
office.  I'm looking forward to following the developement of this exciting new
medium.



#: 278 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    27-Mar-88  20:39:44
Sb: #87-Apple CD reader
Fm: Jeffrey G. Backes 72227,1130
To: Joel Nagy 76701,232

While on the subject of Mac/Apple ][ CDROM, how will the HIGH S. format extend
the software available for these computers?  Is there any data now on HFS
format?  Can I expect the CDROM to replace my home library? Is the $1199 price
tag for Apples product in the same price range as other CD products?

Thanks, lots of questions eh?

Jeff Backes 72227,1130



#: 279 S1/General Information
    27-Mar-88  20:42:54
Sb: CD SKIP
Fm: Jeffrey G. Backes 72227,1130
To: all

I have some SCRATCHED CD's that skip when played! (aren't kids great!), What
can I do with these disks?  Will this happen to my CDROM data disks?  Another
$29.95 is bad, but $595 would ruin my whole day!

Thanks, Jeff Backes  72227,1130



#: 280 S3/CDROM Applications
    27-Mar-88  23:21:07
Sb: #225-cd rom titles
Fm: Roy Masukawa 70376,1110
To: IAN SMITH 72746,2434

Ian, you might want to take a look at CD-ROM Review. Towards the
back of each issue is a list of titles published plus a list of
CD-ROM manufacturers.  I understand CD-ROM Review will be going
monthly this May.  It is published by IDG Communications.
            - Roy Masukawa <70376,1110>



#: 281 S1/General Information
    28-Mar-88  09:43:36
Sb: #270-Stuff
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: Brian Barjenbruch 71251,2716

Brian, DVI stands for Digital Video Interactive, which is digital video
animation technology for CD ROM.  Ummmm it's not easy for me to explain in
English.  DVI has been introduced by General Electric in the Second Int'l CD
ROM Conference.  Presently, Intel, Lotus and Microsoft promote it as an
industry standard.  There is another technology called CDI, Compact Disc
Interactive, which has been introduced at the First CD ROM Conference.  Philip
and Sony and other manufacturers are promoting.... Maybe somebody else can add
more about these technologies. I cannot explain in details here but I hope this
will help a little. ____Noboru Toyoshima


#: 282 S1/General Information
    28-Mar-88  17:16:38
Sb: Hello
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: All

I'm delighted that TY finally twisted my arm enough to get back on C'Serve and
try out the new forum. As you can tell my name is Marsh Williams.  I'm one of
the CD ROM product managers at Discovery Systems.  I'm fairly new to the
technology, but I'm having a ball exploring the possibilities.  My background
is Video and Film production and I can't wait to push this medium with some new
ideas. I look forward to my time here and I look forward to "talking" with all
of the members.



#: 283 S1/General Information
    28-Mar-88  19:58:57
Sb: #262-#CDI or DVI
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

It is my understanding that CDI will in fact be aimed at the home entertainment
market.  Perhaps as a self contained machine, not a computer peripheral.
Only time will tell.     Bob Helfant

1 Reply


#: 284 S3/CDROM Applications
    28-Mar-88  20:04:37
Sb: #275-cdrom for ps/2 model 50
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: George Brickner 70040,104

Their cards only work with disks mastered in the high sierra format.
Unfortunately, only a very small percentage of what is available on CD is in
that format.  Also, I am sorry to say that Online is currently not supporting
the Hitachi drives (at least that was what they told me at the Microsoft show.
Bob Helfant



#: 285 S1/General Information
    28-Mar-88  20:06:54
Sb: #272-New Member
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Harley Witham 71016,1021

Please call my company for a catalog.  The number is 800-634-2298. We have two
encyclopedias available, each selling for less that $275.  Bob Helfant -
Compact Disk Products, Inc.



#: 286 S1/General Information
    28-Mar-88  20:08:47
Sb: #279-CD SKIP
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Jeffrey G. Backes 72227,1130

Jeff - My company (Compact Disk Products) sells a spray that coats CDs and
prevents them from getting scratched.   Call for a catalog at 800-634-2298. Bob
Helfant



#: 287 S1/General Information
    28-Mar-88  20:32:19
Sb: #274-Mac WORM
Fm: Reuben Mezrich 72356,252
To: Dennis E. Brunskill 72746,1424

Dennis
  I really appreciate the Info. I don't get MacGuide (never heard of it till
now) and would have missed that ad. Does the magazine have the phone number or
address so I can look into it.
  I agree the price is high, but at the moment I have a need (read contract to
produce something) and the price is in the ballpark that I had guessed when I
made the proposal that will pay for it.
   Regarding the price per byte, with the WORM you have the option of replacing
the disk, so the capacity goes up and up. Like floppies, but with big numbers.
Actualy, even R/W drives are selling for ~$15 per Mbyte, so for an archival
application where you really don't want to erase the data, but do want it
online, that's not too bad (but will get better I hope)

Reuben



#: 288 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  00:50:16
Sb: Pressing Disks
Fm: Frank Paladino 70446,1455
To: all

Let's say... you wanted to go into the cdrom pressing biz. Who can tell me the
sordid details? (for example... basic equipment costs (use powers of 10...) (
production environment (is it a 'clean-room' setup?) (               human-tech
costs (staff level of expertise required?) (               raw materials) (
wastage, data-prep procedures, QA problems, assurances) etc. Anybody got a feel
for this stuff? (BTW, I'm a new member...) (I promise I won't always use this
many parentheses) --Frank



#: 289 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  02:59:04
Sb: #271-CD ROM for Engineers?
Fm: Richard Kashdan 74045,1726
To: STEVE TOURIGNY 76054,542

My associate probably already talked to Mr. Stedfield.  He called up a bunch of
people at ASM about this, and found out exactly what you said.  They would like
to have an electronically-published edition someday, but it is low priority.


Let me tell you why we are interested in this and see if you have any clues.
We are working as consultants for a metalurgical engineer who went blind two
years ago.  He is trying to get back to productive work, and he says that he
needs some way to access the Metals Handbook. If it were online anywhere or on
a CD-Rom, he could "read" it by having a speech device on his computer speak
the parts he needs.


Since it is not available, he want to run the index through an OCR scanner onto
his machine so he can look up page numbers from the index, and then have
someone scan in the pages he needs to look at. I have never seen the Metals
Handbook.  Is it the kind of book whose pages can be read by an OCR scanner in
any reasonable way, or is it all tables and figures?



#: 290 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  03:56:16
Sb: #283-CDI or DVI
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: bob helfant 75530,214

Bob, yes CDI is considered to be one of the Audio Visual Equipments at home.
That's why so many manufacturers (of white goods, too) are interested in it.
But in that case, CDI and DVI have different markets and there should be no
conflicts between the two...  What do you see the DVI technology, then?
----Noboru


#: 291 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  09:09:01
Sb: CD-ROM REVIEW and CIS
Fm: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

I am the managing editor of the new (C)ontinuous (I)nformation (S)ervice at
CD-ROM Review magazine.  We are a data collection service and independent
CD-ROM testing facility.  I am interested in any questions or comments you have
regarding CD-ROM Review and I will reply as quickly as possible to any queries.
CIS and the CD-ROM Review laboratory will publish a quarterly lab report and
monthly newsletter aimed at vendors, buyers, technical people, and those who
want to know what is out there in terms of CD-ROM discs/hardware/retrieval
software, whether it works or not, what it does, and where you can get it. If
you have any immediate questions about our service and how to subscribe, please
call myself or Roger Strukhoff at 800441-4403, or 603-924-9471.  The CIS is
intended to bring together the vast numbers of CD-ROM people who are out there,
doing their own thing in their own corner, and interested in what the rest of
the industry is doing. -- Jeff



#: 292 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  09:37:31
Sb: #263-titles
Fm: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127
To: Don Pugsley 76314,2041

CD-ROM Review publishes a fairly complete list of CD-ROMs out there in the
marketplace.  We are about to go monthly, and plan to update the list every
three months or so.  If you wish to get a copy or subscription to _hD-ROM
Review, call our subscription dept. at 800-258-5473. -- Jeff



#: 293 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  10:13:08
Sb: Hello
Fm: Jack Ryan 76164,1273
To: All

Good Morning!  I'm excited to see the response to the CDROM Forum the past
week.  There is definitely a substantial level of interest in the technology
and the applications being developed.  I am with Discovery Systems and I hope
to add to the discussions relative to production requirements, timeframes and
costs.  Please feel free to contact me directly through EasyPlex or through the
Forum.



#: 294 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    29-Mar-88  12:52:17
Sb: #257-ALL
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: Don H. Marshall 73327,3310

Don -

It looks as though you misaddressed your message #257 to me, when it should
have been sent to someone else.  DMA Channels?  Memory address? Sorry, this is
all beyond me.

-- Raines



#: 295 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  12:57:53
Sb: #282-Hello
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: Marsh Williams 75126,565

Hey Marsh -

Good to see you here.  How often will you be checking in?  For us, this is
_much_ cheaper than AppleLink for correspondence, although not as flexible in
terms of formatted files, etc.

-- Raines



#: 296 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    29-Mar-88  13:00:25
Sb: #278-Apple CD reader
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: Jeffrey G. Backes 72227,1130

Jeff -

Apple has promised release of the High Sierra/ISO drivers for the Mac & Ap2 by
June or so.  I haven't heard of any discs shipping yet in HFS format, but it
would be pointless anyway, since Apple's drive isn't shipping yet.

I doubt that CD ROM will replace home libraries anytime soon, although it may
replace other sorts of libraries rather quicker.

-- Raines Cohen / Project Manager, the PD ROM(tm) from BMUG



#: 297 S5/Data Preparation
    29-Mar-88  13:09:20
Sb: #71-Introduction
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Jeffrey L. Felbeck 73320,3121

Hello, Jeff.  I was recently up in Seattle (for only the second time) to attend
the Third International CDROM Conference Microsoft put on.  I like the city and
think you chose a nice part of the country to which to migrate.

Your hopes for CDROM discs with useful (and reasonably priced) information will
certainly have to be realized if the technology is to become a business. As you
have probably heard or read, some of those items have already made it to CDROM
(see some of the .PR files in library 3 of this forum), and more are in the
works.  We are working on a compilation of titles to be posted in library 3.  I
would expect your area to have quite a few companies working with CDROM, either
developing tools or products.

My interests - family, camping, cards (bridge), computers, and other
miscellaneous oddities.

Welcome aboard.



#: 298 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    29-Mar-88  13:19:05
Sb: #61-profile
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Paul Gates 70516,420

Hello, Paul.  With a wordprocessing business, I would think the Amdek
Laserdrive-1 system with Microsoft Bookshelf would be a reasonable choice. The
drive can do handle both data and audio, and the player (made by Hitachi) seems
to be turning up everywhere.  If you have no interest in Bookshelf, getting the
player from Radio Shack (they also will be carrying the same Hitachi unit
(CDR-1503S)) would give you a handy means to get the drive serviced if it
should ever fail.  With some of the software and discs that will be out, with
that drive if you're not doing your own composition, you could be listening to
someone else's.



#: 299 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    29-Mar-88  13:23:06
Sb: #277-new memeber
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Robert C. Osburne 76357,2402

Thanks for stopping by, Robert.  When we get our list of titles in library 3 of
the forum, I suspect you'll see a number of discs with medical information on
them.  Stop by any time, and if you have any questions, just post 'em here.



#: 300 S2/Conference/Seminars
    29-Mar-88  13:35:10
Sb: #168-CDROM Production
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244

Hello, James.  Our company has done a few multimedia (data and audio) CDROM
discs, and we have a division that is a post-production facility.  Your message
ended (twice) before listing those techniques for which you are seeking
details.  I'm not certain we could help, but if you want to try again with your
list, we could give it a try.



#: 301 S3/CDROM Applications
    29-Mar-88  13:43:11
Sb: #52-Video
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Sol Rosenberg 76136,514

Sol, could you provide some more info?  Full motion "live" video, or animated
graphics? or both?  Videotape, videodisc, or CDROM media?  Is delivery to a
single user, or to several simultaneous viewers?  How interactive, and using
what type of device (keyboard, mouse, joystick, touch screen...)?  We have some
experience in this area and may be able to help you.



#: 302 S3/CDROM Applications
    29-Mar-88  13:58:22
Sb: #170-INTRODUCTION TO PROJECTS
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: BARRY SCHWARTZ 76566,2714

Barry, one person for you to contact is Greg Smith at Meridian Data in
Capitola, CA.  He can fill you in on their recently announced CDNET product,
which may meet your networking needs.  He can be reached at [phone].
Optimem [[phone]], Optotech [[phone]], and Reference Technology
[[phone]] are just a few players in the WORM disk arena.  Hope this
helps.



#: 303 S3/CDROM Applications
    29-Mar-88  14:05:50
Sb: #206-cdrom
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: sherwood egbert 71171,1774

Hello, Sherwood.  With CDROM you could get 650 megs on line to your Compaq 386.
However, if you need read/write access to your media there are other
alternatives.  There are some large disks (150+ megs) that have device drivers
permitting volumes larger than 32megs.  The IBM PC Software forum might have
more details on those items.  WORM (Write Once Read Many) may also be an option
- they have capacities exceeding 1 gigabyte.  Exactly how you plan to use the
storage will be a major factor in selecting the media type.



#: 304 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  20:41:59
Sb: #290-CDI or DVI
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330

I see the DVI technology as an improved version of CD-ROM.  CD-ROM now is
capable of presenting the user with integrated audio, text and graphics.  I see
DVI as the next step in giving information to people.  Instead of a "still"
picture, or limited animation, DVI will bring the graphic to life with real
time video quality presentations.  This is obviously not necessary for all
applications, but it will be an attractive alternative. Bob Helfant



#: 305 S1/General Information
    29-Mar-88  20:45:50
Sb: #288-Pressing Disks
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Frank Paladino 70446,1455 (X)

There are several companies who would be able to give you precise replies to
your questions.  I don't have any numbers handy, but if you give me a call or
send me a reply by easy mail, I will look one or two up for you.  Try leaving a
message for Jack Ryan at Discovery Systems.  I think that talking to a company
who does it will discourage most people from trying to put that must equipment
together.  Day phone is 212-996-6999. Bob Helfant


#: 307 S1/General Information
    30-Mar-88  14:47:45
Sb: #295-Hello
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271 (X)

Hi there Raines--

I get a listing of all the new messages daily so in effect I'm checking in
every day.  Stephen passed the word about using CIS vs Applelink.  It really
doesn't matter other than for transfering formatted files.  for chatter the
forum is great; however for business I'd ratehr use Easyplex.

Tell the gang hi...I'm really getting psyched about PD ROM~.  Ithink from
everything I've seen it's going to be the best PD disc and everyone is going
crazy about the price.  They think its great.

Marsh



#: 308 S1/General Information
    30-Mar-88  14:58:49
Sb: #224-#New Member
Fm: Larry Phillips 76703,4322
To: Kevin Conley 73336,1340

"Write Once, Read Mostly" sounds too much like it has trouble reading. i think
I prefer Write once, Read Many.

   -larry

1 Reply


#: 309 S1/General Information
    30-Mar-88  14:59:03
Sb: #138-Me, a new member
Fm: Larry Phillips 76703,4322
To: Ron Johnson 70116,1416

Ron,
  A nice thought, but somewhat impractical. I suppose one could come up with a
box that hangs off the serial or parallel port of any computer, but then who
would want to use it when there were (perhaps) units that tie in closely to an
expansion bus, running at 10X the speed (or more) than is acheivable through a
port?

   -larry



#: 310 S1/General Information
    30-Mar-88  14:59:18
Sb: #165-New Member
Fm: Larry Phillips 76703,4322
To: Jonathan L. Mayo 72276,2276 (X)

Jonathan,
  Is there nitty gritty tech data available for the Hitachi drive/controller? I
guess my first question should be "Is it SCSI?" If so, then the nitty gritty
info can consists of the command set supported. If not, then is info available
on command set and hardware pinouts/timings at the controller end?
    Thanks.


   -larry



#: 311 S3/CDROM Applications
    30-Mar-88  14:59:40
Sb: #247-#Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Larry Phillips 76703,4322
To: Aegis Development 76067,2500

Well, all it takes is for the right person to get hold of a CD-Rom drive in
order for a driver to be written. You are right in saying that the
trackdisk.device won't cut it, but there are nuerous drivers for HDs that could
be modified easily to handle the CD-Rom drives. The other consideration (right
now) is the limit on partition sizes, but that will soon be history, giving us
a 2 gigabyte limit per partition.

Now... where do I get my hands on a CD-Rom drive (preferably SCSI), with full
tech details on it, and a test CD-ROm, all at lowest possible cost? (toy budget
is currently severely impacted by house purchase)


   -larry

1 Reply


#: 312 S1/General Information
    30-Mar-88  15:43:21
Sb: #new member
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Tom Faulkner 76347,1734 (X)

Welcome to the forum, Tom.  What hardware and software do you deal with?

1 Reply


#: 313 S1/General Information
    30-Mar-88  18:04:25
Sb: Hello!
Fm: Len Kaltman 71401,216
To: All

Greetings, As a new member I wanted to introduce myself to all of you. My name
is Len Kaltman. I am a  long-time Mac user, and am Director of Marketing for
Comstock, Inc. one of the largest stock photography agencies in the US.  My
interest in CD-ROM is recent, and I have a Lodown CD-ROM drive next to my Mac,
and have purchased the Image Club disk which I use with my desktop publishing
programs. Glad to be aboard...and hope to meet many of you online. Regards, Len
Kaltman



#: 314 S3/CDROM Applications
    30-Mar-88  23:46:12
Sb: #new member
Fm: Selden E. Ball, Jr. 71571,2542
To: all

Greetings, I'm a system manager for a research lab at Cornell. I'm interested
in cdroms as a way of supplying documentation and worms as a way of archiving
large quantities of data. One of my frustrations with what I've seen of the
current cdrom technology is that the formats aren't standardized: it appears to
me that one can't just get a "plain-text" disk that can be used without any
special software. Am I right? Most of the data-bases seem to need their own
special software to be read, so one can't just (for example) use MicroSoft
Bookshelf on any system with a cdrom drive, one also has to get the appropriate
software with it. -- this would, for example keep it from being used on a VMS
system that has DEC's cdrom drive attached.

1 Reply


#: 315 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  00:24:47
Sb: #308-New Member
Fm: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004
To: Larry Phillips 76703,4322 (X)

You're right, it was originally a joke, first WORM drives could alMOST read.
Original joke was Write Once, Read Maybe.  Just goes to show you what happens
when the 'press' picks up on something they really DON'T understand.





#: 316 S3/CDROM Applications
    31-Mar-88  00:24:55
Sb: #311-Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004
To: Larry Phillips 76703,4322 (X)

Larry, when you find out, let me know too, either here of in AmigaForum.





#: 317 S3/CDROM Applications
    31-Mar-88  01:51:33
Sb: New Member Introduction
Fm: Robert A. Gentile 71131,3411
To: All

Good day. I am a business student at The University of Texas at Austin and am
interested in interactive educational tutors and/or textbooks. I would be
grateful to anyone who might be able to help me locate any information about
this technology. CD ROM and computers in general are a high tech junkie's
heaven and I am enjoying this "drug of the 80's! Thank you for your time.
Robert A. Gentile



#: 318 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  02:06:22
Sb: #woro
Fm: billy brand 71370,3214
To: sysop (X)

hello,
   I'm looking for information about mastering a cdrom and the write once read
only cd's
 Help me! Thanks Sysop,The Software Shop BBS Inc. Billy E. Brand 964-4483 data.

1 Reply


#: 319 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  03:19:40
Sb: #143-Greetings!
Fm: John McCormick 76360,44
To: CAROL FENICHEL 72115,620 (X)

|I am sorry, but I don't know what you are talking about



#: 320 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  03:20:55
Sb: #158-Greetings!
Fm: John McCormick 76360,44
To: Mark D. Rife 71006,1537

I have no idea when the announcement will be made, this is inside information
from AMDEK because of some reviews Iam writing



#: 321 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  09:43:47
Sb: #318-woro
Fm: Jack Ryan 76164,1273
To: billy brand 71370,3214

Bill,

If you will give me a call at Discovery Systems (614-761-4287) I can give you
the background on what is needed to master a CDROM.

Regards....

Jack Ryan


#: 322 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  11:55:37
Sb: #cost of mastering cd rom
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: all

One thing I was very surprised at the 3rd Int'l conference on CD ROM was there
were so many developers that gave me samples of their CD ROM's and later I
found out that it is very inexpensive to press discs in U.S.  When you have
some maufactures to master and press CD ROM discs, roughly speaking, it will
cost us about 8000 dollars.  I does not change much even if we ask 100 or 200
discs.  It may take 2 or 3 weeks to be delivered.  There's a express service(I
think one week or so) but it cost much more.  I wonder exactly how much do you
pay for mastering and pressing discs.  Is it cheaper, then, to send MT from
Japan to U.S. and have them matering and pressing and delivered?  By the way, I
forgot to mention that 8000 dollars refer to the price in Japan ------- Noboru

2 Replies


#: 323 S3/CDROM Applications
    31-Mar-88  12:20:27
Sb: #302-INTRODUCTION TO PROJECTS
Fm: BARRY SCHWARTZ 76566,2714
To: Ty Wait 76701,231 (X)

Ty, Thanks for the response to my request. I will contact these companies to
see what the offer. Barry



#: 324 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  12:32:08
Sb: #251-TEMPEST WORMS
Fm: Joseph Seanor 72726,1023
To: Allen Thomson 72757,1325 (X)

I will keep you informed as to what I find, but it looks bad now, not many
people are interested in making a TEMPESTed WORM.  But also if you here
anything, PLEASE tell me if you'd like you can send E-MAIL to me at 72726,1023.
Thanks



#: 325 S3/CDROM Applications
    31-Mar-88  12:35:59
Sb: WORM's
Fm: Joseph Seanor 72726,1023
To: All

Has anybody done some work with the new ISI Worm drive?? I just got one dropped
at my desk by a coworker and she said that I could play with it.  I would like
to know some of the problems that I may encounter while using it.  Also has
anyone ever used the OPTOTECH(sp?) WORM, from what I have read this is a WORM
that writes in a standard file format and they have drives for the SUN, MAC,
PS/2, AT, VAX and PC.  This is great news, but does it work??  Any help would
be great!



#: 326 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  12:43:24
Sb: LAW Titles
Fm: Michael Macewich 76267,375
To: ALL

I work for a large corporation and have just installed an IBM token ring
running Novell software into our law department of 32 people.  I use ZyIndex
for indexing the corporate minutes. I'm looking to hang a CDROM on the network.
Whose drive and driver can hang off my ring and what titles are available that
would be of interest to a corporate legal office.  Anything available on
trademarks? What about taxes, etc? --- MACE --



#: 327 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  12:53:12
Sb: #288-#Pressing Disks
Fm: Kenneth Wm. Miller, II 76367,2733
To: Frank Paladino 70446,1455 (X)

Frank,

I thought you were just a LISP programmer.

1 Reply


#: 328 S1/General Information
    31-Mar-88  16:59:06
Sb: #289-CD ROM for Engineers?
Fm: STEVE TOURIGNY 76054,542
To: Richard Kashdan 74045,1726

THE CURRENT VERSION OF METALS HANDBOOK IS 15-17 VOLUMES AND TAKES UP ABOUT 3-4
FEET OF LARGE BOOKSHELF SPACE.  THERE ARE LOTS OF FIGURES AND TABLES IF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS MORE FEEL FREE TO CALL ME AT 617/838-2794 H  OR
617/495-0165 W
          STEVE T.



#: 329 S3/CDROM Applications
    01-Apr-88  09:32:48
Sb: #314-new member
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Selden E. Ball, Jr. 71571,2542

The CDs are standardized to the point the any CD will run on any CD drive.
Some of them (the ones mastered in the High Sierra format) do appear as DOS
files in a DOS environment, but for most of them, you need whatever retrieval
software that was written for the package. As far as taking them from one
operating system to another, can you do that with many software formats?  I
don't have much experience outside of the MS/PC-DOS world, but I'm fairly
certain that I couldn't take my database or spreadsheet files to another
operating system. I believe each package needs to be developed for each
operating s system that the publishers want to reach.  My company sells a full
range of optical drives and software for the MS/PC-DOS environment, and will
sell to any operating that we can as soon as the products are available.   Bob
Helfant
                 Compact Disk Products



#: 330 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  09:35:12
Sb: #322-#cost of mastering cd rom
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

There is a company in Ohio that has been offering the price of $2000 for 100
disks.  I don't know if they still charge that, but you might leave a message
for Jack Ryan of Discovery Systems to find out.    Bob Helfant

1 Reply


#: 331 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  11:44:41
Sb: Introduction
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: Dennis Tanner 70007,2011

Hello Dennis....I'm one of the CD ROM product managers at Discovery Systems And
we're coming out with a couple of products you might be interested
in....strictly horizontal.  If you're interested you can get back to me
throught CD ROM forum or call me directly at [phone].
.....look forward to hearing from you



#: 332 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  11:44:54
Sb: Interactive Video
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: Bruce C. Klopfenstein 75220,1005

Bruce I'm right down the road in Columbus.  Discovery Systems did several
interactive video projects when we first started.  Primarily because of our
involvment in video and film production.  If I can be of any assistance I know
a little bit about a lot of the areas involved.  Please do not hesitate to get
in touch........
Marsh



#: 333 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  11:45:06
Sb: #122-New Member
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: steve michel 70611,1215 (X)

Hello Steve....
Discovery is going to have an in depth interview with Bill Atkinson about
HyperCard, CD ROM, Appl and the worl in general on our next CD ROM Showcase
disc which will be out in May.....if you'd like a copy please drop me your name
and address.

It'll be interesting to see how the interview turns out...it was shot on video
tape and is being edited and produced by a vdieo type working in conjunction
with the programmers.

Marsh



#: 334 S2/Conference/Seminars
    01-Apr-88  11:45:14
Sb: #167-Production
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244

James I'm a former P/D now involved in CD ROM and multi media applications at
Discovery Systems.....I know the language on boht sides.  If I can be of any
assistance please let me know....

Marsh



#: 335 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  11:45:21
Sb: #266-new member
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: Chad Irby 71541,770 (X)

Chad....
Discovery has put a package together with Apple to offer free CD ROMs to
everyone who purchases an AppleCD SC drive in 1988.  Check out the dealer
training kit due out in April or call me at [phone].



#: 336 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  11:45:29
Sb: #286-CD SKIP
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: bob helfant 75530,214

Jeff as silly as it may sound I've restored several disc with J-Wax car polish
after my 18month old son finished with them.  Also I keep my roms out of the
little bugger's reach.....which is not always an easy task.   The kid has the
reach of Godzilla.

Marsh



#: 337 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  11:45:35
Sb: #322-cost of mastering cd rom
Fm: Marsh Williams 75126,565
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

You should drop a note to Jack Ryan as Discovery Systems.  He has put together
a development package that gets you 100 discs for $2,000.



#: 338 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  12:31:53
Sb: #192-Introduction
Fm: Singing Electrons/Tom J. 73717,2261
To: Joel Nagy 76701,232

Joel, I'd like to find out how to get a copy. Email? Thanks.
                                -TJ-



#: 339 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  13:24:04
Sb: #330-cost of mastering cd rom
Fm: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330
To: bob helfant 75530,214

Thanks, Bob.



#: 340 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  15:31:36
Sb: #110-#A New Data Library?
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

Mark, I think you have a good idea.  There will (actually, is, since some
companies such as ours are digitizing video and audio) be a community of users
who will want to discuss the latest technology, along with known pitfalls, in
the area of analog to digital conversion.  Under the current arrangement of the
forum, the most appropriate place for such a discussion would be data
preparation, since that is ultimately what is being done. However, as soon as a
"critical mass" is reached in the area of analog to digital data conversion, it
would certainly be appropriate to initiate a new section for that (sub)topic.
Let's see where things lead...

1 Reply


#: 341 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  17:46:04
Sb: #340-A New Data Library?
Fm: john ferguson 70205,1216
To: Ty Wait 76701,231

You say you're digitizing video data?  We have an interest in putting
audio/video data on worms or relatively low volume cd's tied to a database
which would allow access to the video's based on a sort of the database fields.
Our firm does CAD systems in South Florida but is trying to become conversant,
at least on the reseller level, with a technology which appears likely to be
very attractive to several of our customers.  If your activities don't lead in
the direction I indicated, could you suggest a source of information in this
area?  thx..



#: 342 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  21:14:06
Sb: #312-new member
Fm: Tom Faulkner 76347,1734
To: Ty Wait 76701,231

I'm using an XT clone for my personal computing at the present time without a
CDROM. The subject comes up from time to time with customers (I sell computer
hardware/software, among other things) and I really feel lost on this subject.
Just got CD ROM vol II and am trying to e educate myself. Actually order vol I
but got vol II. Should I reorder? I have at least one customer currently using
CD ROM with a toxicology database. If I knew more, maybe I could have been the
one to sell it.
  Maybe you can suggest sources of infomation and supply, or is this a
technology in search of a market?



#: 343 S1/General Information
    01-Apr-88  23:14:09
Sb: HELLO
Fm: PAUL A. MURPHY 75170,224
To: ALL

HELLO MY NAME IS PAUL MURPHY AND I AM JOINING THE CD ROM FORUM. I AM VERY
INTERESTED IN CD-ROMS AS I AM IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A NEW APPLICATION IN
DESK TOP PUBLISHING AND I AM CERTAIN THAT ONLY A CD-ROM CAN HANDLE THE
EXCESSIVE DATA STORAGE REQUIREMENTS TO PURSUE MY GOAL. IF A NYONE HAS HAD
EXPERIENCE USING DTP AND CD'S PLEASE EMAIL ME AT 75170,224. I AM AN INDEPENDENT
COMPUTER CONSULTANT IN S IN ST. LOUIS AND DTP IS ONE OF THE VERTICAL MARKETS I
AM
 CURRENTLY WORKING WITH.



#: 344 S3/CDROM Applications
    02-Apr-88  05:29:35
Sb: HyperCard & CD???
Fm: John H. Everett 75515,1144
To: ALL

There's been a lot of speculation lately about what HyperCard (or hypertext in
general) and CD-ROMs might do together, and an even greater amount of
discussion of the limitations of one or another of the technologies.  But I've
seen very little hard information about what is actually going on in this area.
Do any of you know what is now being developed or considered, or, dare I say,
brought to market?  What might we expect to see from the wedding of these two
technologies in the next 12 - 18 months (lots of hyper-CD babies)?  I'd
appreciate your thoughts and, especially, the names of companies who are really
truly working on some of these kinds of applications.  Thanks. (PS - I've posed
this question in the Apple HyperCard forum, too, but thought some of you might
never visit there.
 I apologize if you've had to read this cry for help twice).

      -- John



#: 345 S1/General Information
    02-Apr-88  10:49:23
Sb: #273-HazMat databases
Fm: peter dyke 73537,3237
To: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362 (X)

Jerry,
       If you'd like to E-Mail me an address I'll send you full info.
                                       -pd





#: 346 S1/General Information
    02-Apr-88  10:52:00
Sb: #273-HazMat databases
Fm: peter dyke 73537,3237
To: Jerry O'Neill 74365,362 (X)

Jerry,
       If you'd like to E-Mail me an address I'll send you full info.
                                       -pd





#: 347 S1/General Information
    02-Apr-88  10:52:13
Sb: #276-HazMat databases
Fm: peter dyke 73537,3237
To: Eric Carter 75206,1625 (X)

Eric,
       The MSDS are actual manufacturers' sheets unedited and unadulterated.
There is also a compiled db that has much more detailed info from a variety of
sources, giving a fairly complete profile for each of over 650 chemicals.
RTECS? I'm not familiar with the tapes you mention, and so cannot compare.
       If you'd like full info, E-Mail me an address, and I'll send you full
info.
                       -pd





#: 348 S1/General Information
    02-Apr-88  21:46:33
Sb: Your forum!
Fm: Matt McConnell [MIW] 76545,2671
To: *sysop

Ty,
Just out of curiosity how long did it take before this forum was online? To be
exact from the first proposal to the time the forum was setup?  One last thing
who is Your sponsor?

Please send via the EPX function.

ThankYou for Your time.

All best wishes,
Matt.





#: 349 S3/CDROM Applications
    03-Apr-88  00:35:43
Sb: #cdrom
Fm: sherwood egbert 71171,1774
To: all

I'm trying to get telecommunications up and running in a shop that runs 2 4341
ibm mainframes, and one compac 386 machine that is supposed to recieve the data
over the phone. I would like to be able to recieve more than 32 megs at one
time. because of dos's inability to exceed 32 megs I need something else IE:
cdrom or other media to store up to 600 megs on a pc. Then I want to transfer
that data to the mainframe for printing of labels on a 4301 printer. Is this
possible and what do I need to do this in addition to the 386 machine. my
compuserve id is 71171,1774 I would greatly appreciate any response to this
problem.

3 Replies


#: 350 S3/CDROM Applications
    03-Apr-88  02:02:52
Sb: #349-cdrom
Fm: Tom Thackrey 71401,3627
To: sherwood egbert 71171,1774 (X)

I don't think CD-ROM is the answer to your problems.  MS-DOS can receive and
store more than 32 megs, just not on one disk partition. It should be possible
to get a large hard disk with partitioning software, so in effect you have many
32meg hard disks.  Then you will need to write/modify your tp software on the
compac to create a new file on a new disk after each 32 megs is received.
CD-ROM is read only, so it won't fix the problem. WORM disks would hold your
data, but if you transfer it often you'll be buying a lot of cartridges.
  Without all the facts, it seems that the best answer might be to let you're
4341's receive the data directly.  In any case, good luck with your project.



#: 351 S1/General Information
    03-Apr-88  03:55:01
Sb: #scanners
Fm: John McCormick 76360,44
To: Mark Schneider 71330,467 (X)

Dear Mark, Inotice you are very interested in scanners (OCR) I don't have time
to follow all the threads of this sig and if you don't need further help then
ignore thismessage.  I have reviewed and benchmarked OCR scanners for BYTE and
ID SYSTEMS and know a bit about them so feel free to ask me for inofrmation The
Transimage $2500 hadn hand held scanner is the only OCR that I know of which
will recognise typeset material under $9,500 (Kurzweil 7320) IOC told me two
weeks ago at FOSE that they are about to announce typeset capability for their
scanner but that will also cost about $8,000 or more and is again a page
scanner. On text database programs, have you heard aboutWordCruncher? This is a
program which produces a full index and a concordance it is much better than
zyIndex for legal text. let me know if you need further details about
WordCruncher or OCR scanners.  I currently have the Kurzweil, CompuScan,
Transimage and SABA Handscan scanners.

2 Replies


#: 352 S1/General Information
    03-Apr-88  03:57:08
Sb: OCR
Fm: John McCormick 76360,44
To: all

I have noticed a lot of interest in OCR scanners and would like to mention that
I have benchmarked them for several magazines If anyone has questions abou OCR
hardware I would be happy to try and answer



#: 353 S1/General Information
    03-Apr-88  04:02:30
Sb: tandy 1200 and hitachi
Fm: John McCormick 76360,44
To:  73210,2353

Dear Mike I don't know if anyone has helped you yet, but I  have the AMDEK
LASERDRIVE! hooked up to my Tandy 1200 and the AMDEK is just the Hitachi in
another case.  You will need to upgrade DOS because the extensions won't work
with 2.11.  I put 3.3 on a floppy disk along with the configuration information
so I can boot with the CDROM drive active or leave my system "clean" by booting
off the hard disk I did this because I review so many programs and so much
hardware that I need to retain the original system configuration, but this
should not matter to you, so just upgrade your hard disk to 3.2 or 3.3 Another
problem you might run into is that the older 1200 BIOS chip is not compatible
with the CD-ROM extensions.  RS offers an upgrade but I just went to a local
computer store that builds clones and picked up a new Phoenix chip for $10.  A
crude fix, but no problems afer 3 months.



#: 354 S3/CDROM Applications
    03-Apr-88  13:18:01
Sb: #349-cdrom
Fm: Vic Wagner/Metadigm 76046,3004
To: sherwood egbert 71171,1774 (X)

I agree that CD-ROM is NOT the answer you're looking for.  My understanding of
the 32meg limit is that it only applies if you insist on using 512 byte
sectors.  When I was watching the MS-DOS world more closely, it seems to me
that there was a manufacturer who had some VERY large disks on PCs by upping
the sector size to 32K, but I don't remember who. Sorry.





#: 355 S3/CDROM Applications
    03-Apr-88  16:25:43
Sb: #349-cdrom
Fm: Eric Carter 75206,1625
To: sherwood egbert 71171,1774 (X)

Compaq's DOS 3.31 can handle partitions up to 512MB in size, I believe. -Eric





#: 356 S1/General Information
    03-Apr-88  22:20:12
Sb: #351-scanners
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: John McCormick 76360,44

John - You just may turn out to be my guru!!!  It seems you have vast
experience and knowledge of much of the hardware and software I'm pining for!
I have downloaded your message for reference, and I will bombard you with
questions as soon as I can figure out where to begin (and come up with a
strategy to avoid being a pest!).  I have just acquired MemoryMate and Gofer,
which are now installed on my XT clone with hard disk and Bernoulli.  They seem
alright for the files I have either typed in or downloaded a smidgeon at a time
over the last 2 years.  What is the advantage of Word Cruncher over Zyindex?
Speed?  Will either work with optical media?  And what in the world are you
doing with so many scanners?  Are they yours personally? Are you happy with the
Kurzweill?  Thanks for everything, Mark



#: 357 S4/Adding CDROM Access
    03-Apr-88  22:24:43
Sb: #277-new memeber
Fm: CAROL FENICHEL 72115,620
To: Robert C. Osburne 76357,2402

MEDLINE is available on CD-ROM from at least seven vendors.  Also, a very good
drug database called DRUGDEX.



#: 358 S1/General Information
    03-Apr-88  22:24:45
Sb: #351-scanners
Fm: Mark Schneider 71330,467
To: John McCormick 76360,44

John  -  Hope I'm not overdoing it already, but (feeling like Lieutenant
Columbo!) let me ask one more question:  Are any of the MS-DOS programs that
you're familiar with capable of "hypertext" linkages between records or files?
Have you tried Owl's Guide on a P.C.?  Thanks again, Mark



#: 359 S1/General Information
    03-Apr-88  23:09:48
Sb: WP,SPR,Disk
Fm: Ermilo Novelo 72747,2012
To: SYSOP

I have purchased a Model 100, and would like recommendations on Word Processing
software, Spreadsheet, Disk Drive, and carring case for this equipment. (also a
portable printer).  I had no luck using the "DL".  I didnot know the Keywords.
Could use a hand. Many Thanks for your attention. Ermilo



#: 360 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  01:59:06
Sb: #327-Pressing Disks
Fm: Frank Paladino 70446,1455
To: Kenneth Wm. Miller, II 76367,2733 (X)

(No(NoNotReally(NotActuallyEverHavingBeenOne(Uh-uh)))). --Frank



#: 361 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  07:26:07
Sb: #291-CD-ROM REVIEW and CIS
Fm: John Ausland 73240,2704
To: J.S. Frentzen 76117,2127

I read your message with interest.  I subscribed to CD-ROM REVIEW a year ago
and found it helpful in making my decision regarding what player to buy (I
decided on HITACHI) and which programs (so far BOOKSHELF and GROLIER).  I did
not find it very helpful, however, in dealing with some of the minor questions:
how much memory I would need, exactly what the DOS Extensions were, could I
operate a 110 volts machine here in Norway with a transformer? etc.  What would
be useful would be more articles which deal with the practical problems
confronted by the prospective buyer, who has little interest in the technical
problems.

I am wondering now to what extent the results of your work will appear here on
this forum.



#: 362 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  07:26:29
Sb: NEW MEMBER
Fm: John Ausland 73240,2704
To: all

Oslo, Norway.  I have just learned of this forum as a result of an inquiry to
Easyplex.  Glad to see it.  I have just acquired a HITACHI player and two
programs, BOOKSHELF and GROLIERS.  I am a writer, mainly on foreign policy and
military matters.  I am, therefore, looking forward to discs which provide the
kind of information I now get by going online, particularly newspapers and
other publications.

Since I use TAPCIS, the introduction to the forum scrolled by very quickly.
Could someone tell me who the SYSOP is and what the aims of the forum are?

John Craft spoke of his store.  What is this?  Who else on the forum is selling
discs?



#: 363 S3/CDROM Applications
    04-Apr-88  07:48:40
Sb: #cdrom sampler
Fm: John Ausland 73240,2704
To: all

Oslo, Norway.  I have downloaded the file MSGLD.PR about the CDROM SAMPLER. I
do not, however, have access to a 800 number from here.  If Jack Ryan or
someone else connected with this disc reads this message, I would be glad to
have a copy.  I am in touch here through a bulletin board with a number of
people interested in CDROM.  My address is Sondreveien 4, 0378 Oslo 3, Norway.
Many thanks.

1 Reply


#: 364 S3/CDROM Applications
    04-Apr-88  11:00:35
Sb: #363-cdrom sampler
Fm: Jack Ryan 76164,1273
To: John Ausland 73240,2704

Thanks for your request.  I have sent you a copy of the CDROM Sampler
for your review.  If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to
drop a note in the Forum or to send a mail message.

Regards...
Jack Ryan


#: 365 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  13:04:34
Sb: new member
Fm: JOHNNY SEWELL 76701,254
To: all

       Hi Folks,

I am a new member to your forum and wanted to say hello.  I am an Assistant
SysOp on Avsig, the Aviation Forum on CompuServe.  I just found out about your
forum after asking a few questions around about CDROM.  I hope to learn a lot
here.

       Johnny





#: 366 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  17:03:13
Sb: #341-#A New Data Library?
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: john ferguson 70205,1216 (X)

Yes, we're digitizing video - frame grabbing from NTSC input.  However, I'm not
sure how well we would be set up to meet your needs.  Sounds like you are
considering putting together a collection of CAD images that your clients can
pull off the CDROM and use in their work.  It sounds like the volume of data
and number of buyers may easily determine media type.  Is digitized capture
necessary since the CAD system is generating the image?  Feel free to send me
EMAIL if you want to go off line on this.

1 Reply


#: 367 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  17:09:42
Sb: #342-new member
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Tom Faulkner 76347,1734

Tom, I suggest trying to get volume I.  It's a good way to get started in
learning the technology.  Vol II assumes you've read (or don't need) vol I. So
far as sources, I have found all the manufacturers to be responsive, but
Hitachi to be the most aggressive in getting to smaller end user and sales
companies.  I suggest starting with AMDEK (a Hitachi OEM), but Toshiba and LMS
(Philips) are good bets, too.



#: 368 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  17:16:35
Sb: #138-Me, a new member
Fm: Ty Wait 76701,231
To: Ron Johnson 70116,1416

Ron, I think it is possible...when computer manufacturers start including a
SCSI port as standard equipment (like some of them are now doing with serial
and parallel ports).  Most of the manufacturers are now making CDROM drives for
that interface.  And I suspect that a few of the drives will become very
popular, meaning that the software to work with those drives will be written
for the popular computers.  So, while this is not any(!) computer, it's
reasonable to expect that in the future a few CDROM drives will have a much
better than 50-50 chance on working with any popular computer.



#: 369 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  19:03:49
Sb: #122-New Member
Fm: JOHNNY SEWELL 76701,254
To: steve michel 70611,1215 (X)

       Steve,

I am brand new to this stuff but looks like your magazine will be one that I
should look at.  I notice that you are into the Mac and Hypercard.  What is an
equivalent product for the PC world?  I have a friend with a Mac who wants to
show me Hypercard so I may learn a little more soon.

       Johnny





#: 370 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  19:59:44
Sb: #261-CDI or DVI
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

Yes, for 2 CD-ROM conferences DV-I has run away with the show.  Also Apple's
CD-ROM drive and HyperCard provide a real delivery system that's not difficult
to author for.  We (Aegis) have a color animation system for the Macintosh II
that allows full screen animations to be played directly from the CD-ROM at 15
frames per second (and the Mac II frame is 300K in size uncompressed).  So
there's alot of oppertunity in CD-ROM multimedia.



#: 371 S3/CDROM Applications
    04-Apr-88  19:59:51
Sb: #311-Amiga CD-ROM
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: Larry Phillips 76703,4322

Discovery systems sells a Toshiba drive that should fit the bill.



#: 372 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  20:00:05
Sb: #241-CDI or DVI
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330 (X)

I think the most signifigent thing about the DV-I system is that they are able
to show AUTHORING as opposed to a hand-coded demo.  I also think that HyperCard
and CD-ROM shines in this area as well.  HyperCard is an excellent CD-ROM
delivery system.  It's reasonable in development costs and has extenability
built in.



#: 373 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  20:00:11
Sb: #259-CDI or DVI
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: bob helfant 75530,214 (X)

I agree.



#: 374 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  20:00:19
Sb: #262-CDI or DVI
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330

So true.  I thought closed systems were on their way out.  This is what I like
about DV-I and Apple's CD-ROM as well.



#: 375 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  20:00:33
Sb: #290-CDI or DVI
Fm: Aegis Development 76067,2500
To: Noboru Toyoshima 76662,330

It's obvious that RCA and it's DV-I developers are going to move to a self
contained home player.  RCA is a consumer electronic company.  At Microsoft
CD-ROM they basically said that a consumer player was "in the cards."  The
participation of Activision and others leads in the direction of a consumer
player as well...



#: 376 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  22:14:16
Sb: #336-CD SKIP
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: Marsh Williams 75126,565

Did I mention we carry a product that will help (although I don't know how much
if your son gets hold of it) prevent your CDs from getting scratched? Bob



#: 377 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  22:16:43
Sb: #362-NEW MEMBER
Fm: bob helfant 75530,214
To: John Ausland 73240,2704 (X)

Hi John.  Good to see you here. Bob (CDP)



#: 378 S1/General Information
    04-Apr-88  22:55:59
Sb: #192-Introduction
Fm: Phil Hutcheson 72376,1745
To: Joel Nagy 76701,232

Joel,

     When I got my LaserDrive-1 it was a package from PC Source that
included Bookshelf and the drive. The only disks I got was Microsoft
bookshelf and the CDROM extensions to the operating system. The only demos
included were of Microsoft products on the Bookshelf disk. The only Amdek
documentation was a few pages on installing the interface board. What you
describe sounds good but your message was the first I'd heard of it.
Thanks for the reply,
Phil Hutcheson



#: 379 S3/CDROM Applications
    05-Apr-88  02:24:23
Sb: #364-cdrom sampler
Fm: John Ausland 73240,2704
To: Jack Ryan 76164,1273 (X)

Many thanks for your response.  I will be in touch after I get the disk.



#: 380 S3/CDROM Applications
    05-Apr-88  02:42:30
Sb: #344-HyperCard & CD???
Fm: Berkeley MUG 70007,2271
To: John H. Everett 75515,1144

John -

We're working on a product (The BMUG PD ROM(tm)) that will heavily rely on the
use of HyperCard as a "front-end" index to the large volume of information on
the disk.  We're using it as a search and selection tool, to help the user to
navigate through the mass of useful material on the disc.  This should be on
the shelves not long after Apple's drive is out there.  Let me know if you have
further questions.

-- Raines Cohen / Team BMUG



#: 381 S3/CDROM Applications
    05-Apr-88  05:20:25
Sb: #364-#cdrom sampler
Fm: Kenneth Wm. Miller, II 76367,2733
To: Jack Ryan 76164,1273 (X)

Jack,

I live in Mansfield, Ohio.  I would like to come down to Columbus and
meet you and get a tour of what your company is doing.  Is this possible?

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#: 382 S1/General Information
    05-Apr-88  07:19:59
Sb: #366-A New Data Library?
Fm: john ferguson 70205,1216
To: Ty Wait 76701,231 (X)

The images would not be CAD, at least as we are now discussing it, but would be
video-shots of perhaps 20 seconds duration.  It is forseeable that there would
be a need for perhaps 100 disks max and that the system for tying the videos to
the database could either be split out so that the data was in one place on the
disk and the video data elsewhere or merged.  The disks could concevably need
only a one month operating llife and would be reissued with new video data.  I
think what I am describing sounds a bit like a special interest magazine, and I
suppose it would be but would need to handle perhaps as much as 100-150 10-20
second video shots as well as a compact associated database.  I have no idea
what video occupies in terms of bytes so I can't fathom for myself whether this
project is doable in today's technology?  appreciate help...



#: 383 S3/CDROM Applications
    05-Apr-88  08:28:20
Sb: #381-cdrom sampler
Fm: Jack Ryan 76164,1273
To: Kenneth Wm. Miller, II 76367,2733

Certainly!  Please give me a call at [phone] to set up a convenient
time.

Regards...

Jack Ryan





#: 384 S1/General Information
    05-Apr-88  09:15:57
Sb: #265-Yet another new member
Fm: Dennis Tanner 70007,2011
To: Eric Carter 75206,1625

What is MSDS? --Dennis Tanner



#: 385 S1/General Information
    05-Apr-88  09:32:33
Sb: #310-New Member
Fm: Dennis Tanner 70007,2011
To: Larry Phillips 76703,4322

Hitachi's phone number is 800-262-1502.  It's on the west coast.